1 00:00:09,110 --> 00:00:05,920 [Music] 2 00:00:11,830 --> 00:00:09,120 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 3 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:11,840 from Australia for science and reason 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:13,920 [Music] 5 00:00:22,450 --> 00:00:16,850 [Applause] 6 00:00:25,189 --> 00:00:22,460 [Music] 7 00:00:28,609 --> 00:00:25,199 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 8 00:00:31,790 --> 00:00:28,619 episode number 466 for the 24th of 9 00:00:33,770 --> 00:00:31,800 September 2017 richardsaunders here with 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:33,780 you from a very warm and toasty Sydney 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:36,930 Australia in fact yesterday yesterday 12 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:38,610 they said it was a record-breaking heat 13 00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:41,879 wave day again the hottest September day 14 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:45,440 ever recorded Wow 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:47,640 coming up on this week's episode of the 16 00:00:52,069 --> 00:00:49,489 skeptic zone we're gonna kick off with a 17 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:52,079 little report from susan goreck from 18 00:00:57,530 --> 00:00:54,629 guerrilla skepticism susan is making her 19 00:01:00,049 --> 00:00:57,540 way through Europe she's ended up but 20 00:01:02,899 --> 00:01:00,059 the European skeptics Congress I have a 21 00:01:04,910 --> 00:01:02,909 quick chat to her about how that's going 22 00:01:07,219 --> 00:01:04,920 because right now it's sort of right in 23 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:07,229 the middle of that Congress and also 24 00:01:14,149 --> 00:01:09,090 we'll hear some other reports where she 25 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:14,159 went to Sweden and Denmark and visited 26 00:01:20,570 --> 00:01:17,070 skeptics in the pub that sounds like a 27 00:01:23,390 --> 00:01:20,580 good tour to me susan gerbic European 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:23,400 tour following that it's a story about 29 00:01:28,639 --> 00:01:26,130 the upcoming bent spoon award from 30 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:28,649 Australian sceptics now the bench spoon 31 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:30,420 is the annual award given to the most 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:32,729 preposterous piece of paranormal or 33 00:01:40,010 --> 00:01:37,530 pseudo scientific people and it's open 34 00:01:42,139 --> 00:01:40,020 to nominations if you know of an 35 00:01:44,539 --> 00:01:42,149 organization an individual and a park in 36 00:01:46,639 --> 00:01:44,549 Australia you think is worthy of the 37 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:46,649 bench spoon anyway this story coming up 38 00:01:51,709 --> 00:01:49,200 is a report about the sum of the current 39 00:01:54,489 --> 00:01:51,719 nominations for the bench spoon award 40 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:54,499 and that award will be given out during 41 00:02:01,969 --> 00:01:57,990 the annual convention dinner coming up 42 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:01,979 in in November after that it's brouhaha 43 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:05,369 science from Australia science TV Kelly 44 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:07,770 Wang talking about what seems to be the 45 00:02:14,620 --> 00:02:10,530 discovery that an ancient Viking was in 46 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:14,630 fact a female all along and not a male 47 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:17,370 then we have a new segment from our good 48 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:21,120 friend professor Paul Willis a piece of 49 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:22,110 his mind 50 00:02:25,820 --> 00:02:24,209 Paul Willis will give you a piece of his 51 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:25,830 mind he's going to be talking about 52 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:29,010 heroes on the big screen but should we 53 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:31,200 be looking there to solve the world's 54 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:34,290 problems after that it's an update 55 00:02:38,390 --> 00:02:35,790 another update about the 56 00:02:42,140 --> 00:02:38,400 anti-vaccination doctor dr. john pease 57 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:42,150 and it seems that he has indeed been 58 00:02:46,819 --> 00:02:45,000 suspended from practice but there is 59 00:02:48,860 --> 00:02:46,829 more to the story than that and other 60 00:02:52,009 --> 00:02:48,870 ramifications an update later on in the 61 00:02:54,619 --> 00:02:52,019 show then to round off the show grain of 62 00:02:58,670 --> 00:02:54,629 salt with a runs again this week iran 63 00:03:01,729 --> 00:02:58,680 chats to yell of lungs minh about his 64 00:03:05,539 --> 00:03:01,739 work we have space IL and the thirty 65 00:03:08,300 --> 00:03:05,549 million dollar google lunar xprize to 66 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:08,310 get to the moon he's going to be 67 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:10,650 discussing the the craft 68 00:03:19,149 --> 00:03:13,500 they're sending which will bounce on the 69 00:03:22,220 --> 00:03:19,159 moon bounce but not fly or hover or Rove 70 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:22,230 but bounce bouncing on the moon coming 71 00:03:27,679 --> 00:03:25,169 up to round off the show now before we 72 00:03:29,780 --> 00:03:27,689 start here's a new rare and you think 73 00:03:32,119 --> 00:03:29,790 i'm trying 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hi Richard it's Celeste reward from 88 00:04:16,219 --> 00:04:13,680 squaring the strange podcast my question 89 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:16,229 for you is what do you think is the most 90 00:04:22,490 --> 00:04:19,169 dangerous form of whoo or pseudoscience 91 00:04:24,379 --> 00:04:22,500 facing the human race right now wow 92 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:24,389 that's an interesting question it's a 93 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:26,010 bit of a tough question I'm gonna have a 94 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:28,110 think about that during the show and 95 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:29,880 give you my answer in fact we can all 96 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:31,949 have a think about that and I'd be 97 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:33,690 interested to know what you think about 98 00:04:38,570 --> 00:04:36,090 that but now it's time for me to run 99 00:04:41,740 --> 00:04:38,580 downstairs and have some some lemon 100 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:41,750 cookies with almonds and 101 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:44,150 bit of toast with cream cheese and 102 00:04:48,790 --> 00:04:46,070 watercress there's an interesting 103 00:05:15,520 --> 00:04:48,800 combination while I do all that I hope 104 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:15,530 you enjoy the skeptic zone guerrilla 105 00:05:20,340 --> 00:05:17,780 skepticism on Wikipedia hello good 106 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:20,350 morning and good evening I think Susan 107 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:24,080 hello everyone hello I'm it's delightful 108 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:25,820 I can actually see you you look like 109 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:27,890 you've had a wonderful time you've been 110 00:05:34,030 --> 00:05:30,170 attending the European skeptics Congress 111 00:05:36,610 --> 00:05:34,040 how's it going or is it over now well we 112 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:36,620 have it's Saturday night right now so we 113 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:38,870 just got off a Gaelic cruise we went and 114 00:05:44,740 --> 00:05:42,560 cruise around and Mark Edward did a 115 00:05:45,910 --> 00:05:44,750 little magic and Randi was there and it 116 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:45,920 was so much fun 117 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:49,300 and then so tomorrow morning we have a 118 00:05:55,540 --> 00:05:52,850 few lectures and I think Massimo 119 00:05:58,660 --> 00:05:55,550 Polidori o is going to interview Randi 120 00:06:03,070 --> 00:05:58,670 and they're gonna do some other things 121 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:03,080 and then the Congress the actual board 122 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:05,330 is they forgot to try to decide where 123 00:06:10,270 --> 00:06:06,650 they're going to have the next Congress 124 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:10,280 that in two years and then I'm getting 125 00:06:16,750 --> 00:06:13,250 in a car and I'm going with a mark 126 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:16,760 Edward under OSH enter and Liu boudoir 127 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:19,250 from Bulgaria we're going to go to 128 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:21,770 Dresden to spend the night and then go 129 00:06:27,490 --> 00:06:25,910 on to gotting hum Germany wow wow what a 130 00:06:29,530 --> 00:06:27,500 great trip you've had in folks in a 131 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:29,540 minute we'll be playing some little 132 00:06:34,870 --> 00:06:32,090 interviews Susan mark were doing along 133 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:34,880 the way one from Sweden and one from 134 00:06:39,130 --> 00:06:37,010 Denmark it sounds like you've been 135 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:39,140 having a wonderful time and I take it 136 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:41,150 the Congress has been a most enjoyable 137 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:45,050 experience so far I the people are 138 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:47,270 amazing and this Congress has been so 139 00:06:49,450 --> 00:06:48,410 much fun because there's so many 140 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:49,460 different languages 141 00:06:55,030 --> 00:06:52,820 I mean you turn around and there's 142 00:06:56,980 --> 00:06:55,040 somebody speaking in Czech and 143 00:06:58,870 --> 00:06:56,990 next to my speaking in Polish and the 144 00:07:02,260 --> 00:06:58,880 person next to him speaking in Italian 145 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:02,270 and somebody's got English it's that 146 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:04,490 sound that sounds great I'm so jealous 147 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:06,410 you've been mentioned many times Richard 148 00:07:16,660 --> 00:07:12,860 oh no not me no your name has come up in 149 00:07:20,470 --> 00:07:16,670 the skeptic zone podcast and Iran did a 150 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:20,480 wonderful lecture this morning and he 151 00:07:26,530 --> 00:07:23,090 was talking a lot about what's going on 152 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:26,540 in Australia with a lot of pride and he 153 00:07:32,590 --> 00:07:30,710 has a lot of great reason to it was and 154 00:07:34,830 --> 00:07:32,600 several people pointed out and asked him 155 00:07:36,550 --> 00:07:34,840 questions during the panel talking about 156 00:07:38,290 --> 00:07:36,560 different things that are happened in 157 00:07:40,390 --> 00:07:38,300 Australia people around the world are 158 00:07:43,180 --> 00:07:40,400 aware of what's going on in Australia 159 00:07:45,490 --> 00:07:43,190 trust me that's very nice to know very 160 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:45,500 nice to know indeed well I think you 161 00:07:49,870 --> 00:07:47,810 should get to bed so your nice and fresh 162 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:49,880 for tomorrow's part of the Congress 163 00:07:54,370 --> 00:07:51,710 again I'm very jealous I can't be there 164 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:54,380 thank you for sending me some reports 165 00:08:00,400 --> 00:07:56,450 along the way which will be playing in 166 00:08:02,770 --> 00:08:00,410 just a second and please give my best to 167 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:02,780 everybody but especially James Randi I 168 00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:03,650 sure will 169 00:08:12,180 --> 00:08:04,670 Thanks 170 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:14,770 hello everyone this is susan gerbic from 171 00:08:17,020 --> 00:08:16,340 the guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia 172 00:08:20,770 --> 00:08:17,030 project 173 00:08:23,620 --> 00:08:20,780 I'm in Sweden and I have just toured a 174 00:08:24,850 --> 00:08:23,630 castle in Sweden and I'm not gonna 175 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:24,860 pronounce it because that will totally 176 00:08:31,990 --> 00:08:29,590 butchered I'm sure but I'm here having a 177 00:08:33,730 --> 00:08:32,000 salad and a croissant 178 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:33,740 what is this another croissant it's a 179 00:08:38,830 --> 00:08:37,610 cinnamon event pika 180 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:38,840 we have an effete guy here it's a 181 00:08:46,090 --> 00:08:43,130 Swedish tradition so I'm here with 182 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:46,100 Adrian and Mark Edward and we are 183 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:48,890 getting ready to go back to the hotel 184 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:51,170 room because we're going to be speaking 185 00:09:02,070 --> 00:08:58,970 at the Swedish vof group tonight this is 186 00:09:04,390 --> 00:09:02,080 on Wikipedia hopefully I'll get a few 187 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:04,400 editors tonight and Mark will be talking 188 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:07,490 about psychics yeah I'll do so this is 189 00:09:14,830 --> 00:09:11,450 the skeptics in the pub yeah I'm Adrian 190 00:09:17,740 --> 00:09:14,840 and azano and I'm managing the steps 191 00:09:20,490 --> 00:09:17,750 from the pub in Sock'em and I also at 192 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:20,500 the board of director of the viewer and 193 00:09:26,350 --> 00:09:24,680 apparently I'm also the host so I'm 194 00:09:29,740 --> 00:09:26,360 taking care of business and I'm mark 195 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:29,750 here these two days yeah exactly because 196 00:09:35,770 --> 00:09:33,050 obviously that but that was needed I get 197 00:09:37,390 --> 00:09:35,780 lost easily yeah and it's it is see it 198 00:09:40,570 --> 00:09:37,400 laughs in there in seven states and also 199 00:09:41,620 --> 00:09:40,580 so yeah I think we're gonna have a very 200 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:41,630 great time tonight 201 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:46,240 it's a English pub people are gonna be 202 00:09:51,610 --> 00:09:48,770 drunk enough beer so they're gonna enjoy 203 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:51,620 the speech easily you don't have to say 204 00:09:57,010 --> 00:09:53,030 say much they're gonna think it's great 205 00:09:59,920 --> 00:09:57,020 anyway anyway stepping-stone listeners 206 00:10:03,389 --> 00:09:59,930 we're we're excited to get to come along 207 00:10:08,319 --> 00:10:03,399 on our journeys through 208 00:10:10,509 --> 00:10:08,329 Scandinavia and Europe and we are 209 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:10,519 thinking of you 210 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:12,529 the Australian skeptics are mentions 211 00:10:17,259 --> 00:10:15,860 quite a bit as a group of people who are 212 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:17,269 literally getting out there and doing 213 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:19,130 things you were I went to a party last 214 00:10:23,110 --> 00:10:21,410 night and we talked about many of the 215 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:23,120 things that are happening with the 216 00:10:29,350 --> 00:10:25,370 Australian skeptics and everybody when I 217 00:10:29,889 --> 00:10:29,360 mentioned your names they said oh yes of 218 00:10:32,439 --> 00:10:29,899 course 219 00:10:34,439 --> 00:10:32,449 homeopathy and the and the work that 220 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:34,449 they're doing there in Australia is 221 00:10:39,460 --> 00:10:37,970 putting everyone else to shame yeah 222 00:10:40,780 --> 00:10:39,470 that's what Mark said Australia 223 00:10:42,850 --> 00:10:40,790 something everyone else to shame because 224 00:10:45,069 --> 00:10:42,860 you guys you and the Brits are really 225 00:10:49,139 --> 00:10:45,079 getting a lot of stuff done Oh name the 226 00:10:51,999 --> 00:10:49,149 council the Swedish royal castle it's 227 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:52,009 well they're the old name was Nick you 228 00:10:56,829 --> 00:10:53,839 know more about there was the new way I 229 00:10:59,650 --> 00:10:56,839 think it's called yes castles and so 230 00:11:01,990 --> 00:10:59,660 we're at the castle we're at a meeting 231 00:11:07,530 --> 00:11:02,000 outside of the castle 232 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:07,540 [Music] 233 00:11:13,030 --> 00:11:10,490 hello skeptic zone listeners is a susan 234 00:11:17,050 --> 00:11:13,040 gerbic and right now i'm here with mark 235 00:11:20,819 --> 00:11:17,060 edward and klaus larson in Copenhagen 236 00:11:23,889 --> 00:11:20,829 and we last night we spoke to the 237 00:11:26,139 --> 00:11:23,899 Copenhagen skeptics and we're spending 238 00:11:29,199 --> 00:11:26,149 the day traveling through Copenhagen and 239 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:29,209 then we're going to go to Malmo in 240 00:11:34,449 --> 00:11:31,490 Sweden and mark and I will be speaking 241 00:11:37,689 --> 00:11:34,459 there tonight to the vof skeptics in 242 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:37,699 Malmo one of the things that Klaus and 243 00:11:42,340 --> 00:11:39,649 Mark and I are talking about is the 244 00:11:46,150 --> 00:11:42,350 importance of face-to-face interactions 245 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:46,160 like a conferences and events where you 246 00:11:52,179 --> 00:11:48,350 sit down you share a beer with them you 247 00:11:53,829 --> 00:11:52,189 talk over dinner or lunch and learn 248 00:11:55,420 --> 00:11:53,839 about what other groups are doing what 249 00:11:59,170 --> 00:11:55,430 other successes they're having what 250 00:12:00,879 --> 00:11:59,180 other needs they have yeah well just 251 00:12:03,610 --> 00:12:00,889 Josh hi everyone 252 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:03,620 we've been talking about this how I get 253 00:12:08,949 --> 00:12:06,410 things done a lot of the skeptic groups 254 00:12:13,769 --> 00:12:08,959 they get together and the intentions are 255 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:13,779 great and but then not a lot of things 256 00:12:18,420 --> 00:12:16,430 well maybe not a lot of things but not 257 00:12:21,429 --> 00:12:18,430 enough things are happening 258 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:21,439 we've try to come up with a way of 259 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:25,610 getting things to get done and one 260 00:12:33,340 --> 00:12:28,689 suggestion would be that we treat 261 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:33,350 projects with a set scope set time frame 262 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:35,330 a set 263 00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:39,260 economy and then we focus on one thing 264 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:41,800 for instance it could be there's a new 265 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:44,930 psychic in town okay let's start from 266 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:47,180 the beginning let's follow this side 267 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:50,330 let's investigate also from the 268 00:12:55,569 --> 00:12:53,630 assumption that the possibility that he 269 00:12:58,720 --> 00:12:55,579 could actually be the right thing but if 270 00:13:02,980 --> 00:12:58,730 he's not let's document what it does so 271 00:13:05,860 --> 00:13:02,990 that his followers may see that he may 272 00:13:08,710 --> 00:13:05,870 not be as excited as he could be 273 00:13:11,829 --> 00:13:08,720 but it's important that from the start 274 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:11,839 we have leadership establish leadership 275 00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:17,290 and we have clear list of people who 276 00:13:23,019 --> 00:13:21,230 knows how to do specific jobs and when 277 00:13:27,630 --> 00:13:23,029 they commit to them they follow through 278 00:13:32,110 --> 00:13:27,640 and of course everyone is credited as 279 00:13:34,870 --> 00:13:32,120 they should be but treat a project like 280 00:13:36,759 --> 00:13:34,880 it would have been a normal project in 281 00:13:39,069 --> 00:13:36,769 for instance an IT we have to solve this 282 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:39,079 problem is this it's a business like a 283 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:41,690 business yeah absolutely 284 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:43,970 but with but with goals I think having 285 00:13:51,250 --> 00:13:48,110 it smaller groups take on smaller tasks 286 00:13:53,139 --> 00:13:51,260 yes or bigger tasks in the long run it's 287 00:13:54,910 --> 00:13:53,149 like you say that a clear goal but I 288 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:54,920 don't want to de-emphasize the fact that 289 00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:57,050 we need to be able to have conferences 290 00:14:02,860 --> 00:14:00,560 and regular meetings to keep people 291 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:02,870 energized and growing the community with 292 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:05,930 lectures these are the pilot or other 293 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:07,310 people might find out what other get 294 00:14:11,050 --> 00:14:09,260 will are doing to be required and keeps 295 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:11,060 motivated and that's why we need the 296 00:14:17,079 --> 00:14:14,089 conference's but but I think that if 297 00:14:19,420 --> 00:14:17,089 groups can form to instead of just 298 00:14:20,249 --> 00:14:19,430 having a broad feel of we're gonna form 299 00:14:24,090 --> 00:14:20,259 a group and we're 300 00:14:26,340 --> 00:14:24,100 be doing a lot of these I think I agree 301 00:14:28,199 --> 00:14:26,350 with Klaus is that then you pick one 302 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:28,209 specific thing to work on for a period 303 00:14:34,049 --> 00:14:31,929 of time and have clear goals and when 304 00:14:36,139 --> 00:14:34,059 that's over it's over move on to another 305 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:36,149 project maybe with a different team 306 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:38,649 maybe with a different focus learning as 307 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:40,569 you go but you have to report back on 308 00:14:47,129 --> 00:14:43,720 what you did yeah too many things going 309 00:14:49,079 --> 00:14:47,139 on at once is why Susan and I have 310 00:14:52,139 --> 00:14:49,089 decided to just do it or spend more 311 00:14:54,689 --> 00:14:52,149 because we came up against most of the 312 00:14:56,999 --> 00:14:54,699 groups we were involved with we're just 313 00:14:58,889 --> 00:14:57,009 trying to juggle way too many things and 314 00:15:01,529 --> 00:14:58,899 there's a phrase that I learned when I 315 00:15:04,109 --> 00:15:01,539 was working as a psychic which is the 316 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:04,119 cat that plays with too many mice goes 317 00:15:11,729 --> 00:15:08,769 without dinner we can decide who the 318 00:15:14,099 --> 00:15:11,739 fattest to see Mouse's and pounce on it 319 00:15:16,199 --> 00:15:14,109 the other ones will be around and we can 320 00:15:18,329 --> 00:15:16,209 maybe eventually turn to them too 321 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:18,339 but I think we have to decide do the 322 00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:21,669 fattest Mouse's and don't give up and 323 00:15:29,489 --> 00:15:24,639 don't let go of it until we've had our 324 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:29,499 dinner thank you all from Copenhagen 325 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:31,180 from Denmark 326 00:15:50,420 --> 00:15:48,199 it never ends a friend starts talking 327 00:15:52,009 --> 00:15:50,430 about his new Reiki Master and someone 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00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:27,680 email us at GS o w team @ gmail.com 343 00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:31,850 guerrilla skepticism the time is now 344 00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:34,880 music by bensound.com 345 00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:45,280 [Music] 346 00:16:51,060 --> 00:16:47,920 from the website of Australian skeptic 347 00:16:56,970 --> 00:16:51,070 skeptics calm day you bent spoon 348 00:17:00,120 --> 00:16:56,980 nominations for 2017 ABC ni cm Newcastle 349 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:00,130 City Council and more by Tim Mendham 350 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:03,600 published on the 21st of September 2017 351 00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:06,850 the nominations for the 2017 Australian 352 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:09,520 skeptics bent spoon award have been 353 00:17:15,420 --> 00:17:11,740 published featuring an array of 354 00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:15,430 potential winners and dishonor ease the 355 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:16,750 spoon is awarded to the most 356 00:17:21,179 --> 00:17:19,089 preposterous piece of paranormal or 357 00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:21,189 pseudo scientific piffle of the year and 358 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:24,430 is one of the least sought-after awards 359 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:27,610 on the calendar past winners include 360 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:31,660 paleo Pete Evans homeopathy plus the Luo 361 00:17:38,030 --> 00:17:34,630 Tech free energy generator a whole range 362 00:17:41,370 --> 00:17:38,040 of universities and a psychic dentist 363 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:41,380 this year's nominees include the ABC 364 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:44,350 Nats ABC television late line program 365 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:47,410 for a story extolling the dubious 366 00:17:54,270 --> 00:17:51,250 virtues of biodynamic farming and the 367 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:54,280 wonders of bearing cow horns full of 368 00:18:00,510 --> 00:17:58,570 manure to help wine grow another nominee 369 00:18:03,330 --> 00:18:00,520 is the national institution of 370 00:18:07,470 --> 00:18:03,340 complimentary medicine and it's academic 371 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:07,480 parent Western Sydney University uws the 372 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:11,200 N ICM a nominee last year continues to 373 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:13,210 promote all sorts of pseudo medical 374 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:15,010 treatments on its website under the 375 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:17,110 umbrella of complementary medicine 376 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:21,120 these include homeopathy reflexology 377 00:18:29,670 --> 00:18:25,320 spiritual healing crystal therapy breaky 378 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:29,680 the list goes on n ICM promised to 379 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:32,110 review its position on these areas last 380 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:34,720 year but obviously thought so much of 381 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:37,570 them they were retained and I see him 382 00:18:43,010 --> 00:18:40,330 and you WS are also preparing a clinic 383 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:43,020 on campus to treat public patients with 384 00:18:49,410 --> 00:18:47,290 traditional Chinese medicine TCM a range 385 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:49,420 of treatments who have serious questions 386 00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:52,150 about their effectiveness the Newcastle 387 00:18:57,660 --> 00:18:55,150 City Council and the Newcastle Herald 388 00:18:58,159 --> 00:18:57,670 have been nominated for giving the keys 389 00:19:01,310 --> 00:18:58,169 to the 390 00:19:03,889 --> 00:19:01,320 city to a psychic who can see the past 391 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:03,899 present and future and can connect 392 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:06,720 people with dead relatives 393 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,970 The Herald which has performed sterling 394 00:19:14,239 --> 00:19:11,100 work in the past exposing child sexual 395 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:14,249 abuse in the local Catholic Church has 396 00:19:19,399 --> 00:19:16,590 let this story slip through it's 397 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:19,409 critical net without so much as a quote 398 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:21,330 claimed to be psychic 399 00:19:26,810 --> 00:19:24,210 end quote insight members of the public 400 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:26,820 and the skeptical community are invited 401 00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:29,100 to make their own submissions visit 402 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:34,080 w-w-w kept ignoring the spoon including 403 00:19:39,139 --> 00:19:36,210 its history and past winners links to 404 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:39,149 the list of 2017 nominees and how to 405 00:19:44,659 --> 00:19:42,690 nominate your own worthy recipients now 406 00:19:46,669 --> 00:19:44,669 the beta spoon will be awarded in late 407 00:19:50,210 --> 00:19:46,679 November so you have a little bit of tie 408 00:19:54,409 --> 00:19:50,220 left if you want to nominate a product 409 00:19:57,169 --> 00:19:54,419 or a service or an even an individual 410 00:19:59,359 --> 00:19:57,179 you can do that via the website we will 411 00:20:03,019 --> 00:19:59,369 have a look at your nominations to make 412 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:03,029 sure they comply with the guidelines and 413 00:20:08,419 --> 00:20:05,580 who knows maybe your email will lead to 414 00:20:09,290 --> 00:20:08,429 the awarding of this year's event spoon 415 00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:09,300 award 416 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:24,960 [Music] 417 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:27,880 and now direct from the cafe and 418 00:20:33,540 --> 00:20:30,760 Australia's Science Channel its brouhaha 419 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:33,550 science unless time that it takes to 420 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:41,710 order a coffee with Kelly wand throw 421 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:44,050 away a textbooks technology is putting 422 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:45,580 women back in their rightful place in 423 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:48,370 history researchers have used genomic 424 00:20:53,010 --> 00:20:50,530 analysis to confirm that a skeleton from 425 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:53,020 a famous Viking warrior grave belong to 426 00:20:57,690 --> 00:20:56,170 a female back in the 1880s a grave was 427 00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:57,700 found with a skeleton that looked like 428 00:21:01,860 --> 00:20:59,820 it belonged to a high-ranking officer 429 00:21:04,290 --> 00:21:01,870 naturally anthropologists and historians 430 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:04,300 assumed it was a man why else would a 431 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:05,770 skeleton be buried with all the 432 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:07,750 belongings of a warrior even their 433 00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:09,910 Viking aah and poetry have depicted 434 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:13,660 women beside men in battle fast forward 435 00:21:18,140 --> 00:21:16,210 to the 1970s when reanalysis of the 436 00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:18,150 skeleton based on very morphology 437 00:21:25,470 --> 00:21:21,220 identified her as female but was still 438 00:21:27,690 --> 00:21:25,480 dismissed but now in 2017 the historians 439 00:21:30,780 --> 00:21:27,700 and finally stop arguing thanks to 440 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:30,790 genetic confirmation the researchers say 441 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:32,590 that the results call for caution 442 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:34,810 against generalizations regarding social 443 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:37,480 orders and Hoth's societies with 444 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:39,130 sophisticated genetic tools at our 445 00:21:59,150 --> 00:21:47,930 for more brouhaha and Australian science 446 00:22:15,730 --> 00:22:09,370 [Music] 447 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:15,740 a piece of his mind with Professor Paul 448 00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:26,330 [Music] 449 00:22:32,190 --> 00:22:29,679 it was with some reluctance that I took 450 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:32,200 my son to see the latest spider-man 451 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:34,090 movie don't get me wrong 452 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:36,610 I loved the quality father-son time of a 453 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,769 trip to the movies but my reluctance 454 00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:40,480 wasn't based around the violence 455 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:42,580 misogyny or any age inappropriate 456 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:46,450 material that might be in the film I was 457 00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:48,970 more concerned about the distraction of 458 00:22:54,090 --> 00:22:51,460 telling fictional stories of mythical 459 00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:54,100 heroes when our attention ought to be 460 00:22:59,129 --> 00:22:56,350 focused on real-world problems and their 461 00:23:01,049 --> 00:22:59,139 solutions and it's not just the latest 462 00:23:03,749 --> 00:23:01,059 crop of superhero films 463 00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,759 there must be something deeply ingrained 464 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:05,919 in the human psyche that is always 465 00:23:11,399 --> 00:23:08,529 hankered for mythical heroes to solve 466 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:11,409 our real-world problems something 467 00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:14,110 lurking deep inside our brains that 468 00:23:20,609 --> 00:23:16,600 shackles us to the unrealistic answers 469 00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,619 to real threats that confront us we live 470 00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:23,200 in a time where there is no place for 471 00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:26,799 Heroes we do not have the luxury of time 472 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:29,679 to create fictional heroes who vanquish 473 00:23:36,539 --> 00:23:32,850 non-existent foes in make-believe worlds 474 00:23:39,649 --> 00:23:36,549 there are no heroic solutions to the 475 00:23:42,570 --> 00:23:39,659 real problems we face every day and 476 00:23:46,049 --> 00:23:42,580 there are many problems that we need to 477 00:23:49,769 --> 00:23:46,059 confront the solutions to global climate 478 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:49,779 change overpopulation pollution overuse 479 00:23:55,379 --> 00:23:52,210 of resources under supply of energy and 480 00:23:58,139 --> 00:23:55,389 so on will not include one white knight 481 00:24:02,279 --> 00:23:58,149 in shining armor riding out of the myths 482 00:24:05,850 --> 00:24:02,289 of mythology history is a long chronicle 483 00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:05,860 of the actions of heroes of kings and 484 00:24:10,590 --> 00:24:08,230 emperors Admirals and Generals who 485 00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:10,600 fought battles to save their nations and 486 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:14,169 conquer foreign lands this history is 487 00:24:19,019 --> 00:24:17,110 written by the heroes but when you 488 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:19,029 scratch the surface and take another 489 00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,490 perspective you often find that they 490 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:23,200 were not heroes at all 491 00:24:28,649 --> 00:24:25,690 the histories of the vanquished of the 492 00:24:31,169 --> 00:24:28,659 conquered of the dispossessed cast other 493 00:24:34,380 --> 00:24:31,179 people's heroes as villains and the 494 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:34,390 merchants of evil ultimately the 495 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:36,970 religious figures gods and goddesses 496 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:39,450 mythical beasts and elemental forces 497 00:24:45,270 --> 00:24:43,210 were heroic figures able to intercede in 498 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:45,280 world affairs for the betterment of 499 00:24:50,670 --> 00:24:47,910 humanity even in our supposedly 500 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,680 enlightened modern age there are still 501 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:53,200 those who place their faith in mythical 502 00:24:58,590 --> 00:24:55,630 religious heroes to solve real-world 503 00:25:01,260 --> 00:24:58,600 problems and I think this is doubly 504 00:25:03,150 --> 00:25:01,270 dangerous not only the danger in the 505 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:03,160 fact that mythical entities can do 506 00:25:09,170 --> 00:25:06,670 nothing in the real physical world but 507 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:09,180 such beliefs absolve the followers of 508 00:25:14,850 --> 00:25:11,620 responsibility for addressing and 509 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:14,860 resolving these problems isn't it time 510 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,050 that we all stood up and took 511 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:20,320 responsibility for our actions I contend 512 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:22,990 that we could all work collectively we 513 00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:26,050 could all work together to save the day 514 00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:29,980 we can all become the heroes most of the 515 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:32,350 world's problems are caused by lots of 516 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:34,690 people doing a little bit wrong often 517 00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:37,450 out of ignorance sometimes out of malice 518 00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:40,420 but mostly only minor infractions on a 519 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,300 personal level iterated billions of 520 00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:46,240 times across the people of the world so 521 00:25:52,410 --> 00:25:49,270 perhaps the heroes of today needs to be 522 00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,420 every single one of us consciously doing 523 00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,360 something good something right something 524 00:26:01,140 --> 00:25:57,520 that will address the problems that we 525 00:26:03,150 --> 00:26:01,150 face I did relent and we went off to see 526 00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:03,160 the movie which we both thoroughly 527 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:05,830 enjoyed a short escape from the woes of 528 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:08,530 the world around us yes it's only 529 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:11,350 entertainment yes it is meant to be 530 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:14,170 escapist but we still need to keep that 531 00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:16,930 hero worship mentality in perspective 532 00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,720 it's one thing to have a short escape 533 00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:21,520 for a couple of hours in a darkened 534 00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:25,150 theater but inevitably we have to return 535 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:27,280 to the reality of daylight when the 536 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:30,070 movie comes to an end 537 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,159 dr. Harriet Hall MD no into thousands as 538 00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,200 the skeptic a retired family physician 539 00:27:00,379 --> 00:26:58,320 and former Air Force flight surgeon she 540 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:00,389 writes about medicine so-called 541 00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:02,090 complementary and alternative medicine 542 00:27:09,019 --> 00:27:05,960 science quackery and critical thinking 543 00:27:11,299 --> 00:27:09,029 Harriet now has a free course a series 544 00:27:14,659 --> 00:27:11,309 of 10 video lectures on science-based 545 00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:14,669 medicine and alternative medicine the 546 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:16,679 videos and an accompanying course guide 547 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:18,809 can be found by following the link at 548 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:23,610 skip doc info or by visiting web brandy 549 00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:28,250 org slash educational - modules dot 550 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:32,000 html' topics covered in the series are 551 00:27:35,509 --> 00:27:34,230 science-based medicine vs. 552 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:35,519 evidence-based medicine 553 00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:39,330 what is Kam chiropractic acupuncture 554 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:42,539 homeopathy naturopathy and herbal 555 00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:45,330 medicine energy medicine miscellaneous 556 00:27:51,019 --> 00:27:48,059 alternatives pitfalls in research and 557 00:27:52,539 --> 00:27:51,029 science based medicine in the media and 558 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,549 politics 559 00:27:57,379 --> 00:27:54,960 Harriett covers each topic in a 560 00:28:00,649 --> 00:27:57,389 matter-of-fact no-nonsense way that 561 00:28:02,270 --> 00:28:00,659 shorter educate and entertain skeptic 562 00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:02,280 dot info 563 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:20,230 [Music] 564 00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:22,370 over the past few weeks we've been 565 00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,960 keeping you up to date on the 566 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:26,480 developments with a certain doctor and 567 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:30,770 GP john pease who you will recall stood 568 00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:33,049 up at the end of a screening of the 569 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:36,020 movie VAX in melbourne some weeks ago to 570 00:28:41,530 --> 00:28:38,200 announce that he was aiding and abetting 571 00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:41,540 parents who wanted to avoid vaccine the 572 00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:44,390 news is that he has now been suspended 573 00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:47,030 from practice but there's more to this 574 00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:52,100 story of course if there are any doubts 575 00:28:57,940 --> 00:28:55,820 about his motivation we need only turn 576 00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:57,950 to the pages the Australian vaccination 577 00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:01,520 skeptics Network which still you have 578 00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:05,990 the URL avian doctor de you not a VSN 579 00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:09,950 but that's by the by they have published 580 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:13,190 an article written by dr. john pease and 581 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:16,640 it says here below is an article dr. 582 00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:19,340 peace has submitted to the melbourne age 583 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:22,070 it is reprinted with his permission i 584 00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:25,690 don't know if the melbourne aged have 585 00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:29,630 printed this article now i won't read it 586 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:31,070 all but I think the first paragraph 587 00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:35,440 gives you a good understanding it says I 588 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:39,500 have been encountering cases of vaccine 589 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:42,200 injury for over 40 years 590 00:29:47,409 --> 00:29:45,650 in June mint was a happy healthy nearly 591 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:47,419 five year old whose parents were 592 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:49,820 required to put her on a catch-up 593 00:29:53,980 --> 00:29:51,770 schedule in order to get her in the 594 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:53,990 kindergarten she won't be going to 595 00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:56,200 kinder she's in a wheelchair 596 00:30:01,930 --> 00:29:59,840 brain-damaged her life ruined then came 597 00:30:05,169 --> 00:30:01,940 a friend's father who died after a flu 598 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:05,179 vaccine and last week a four year old 599 00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:09,130 boy made autistic by a catch-up schedule 600 00:30:13,539 --> 00:30:11,870 now he goes on to repeat a lot of the 601 00:30:16,270 --> 00:30:13,549 tropes and a lot of the misinformation 602 00:30:18,580 --> 00:30:16,280 we've heard over many years from the 603 00:30:21,249 --> 00:30:18,590 anti-vaxxers including 604 00:30:23,409 --> 00:30:21,259 the paragraph here vaccines contain 605 00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:23,419 health damaging ingredients not the 606 00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:25,960 least aluminium and known neurotoxin 607 00:30:31,659 --> 00:30:28,340 implicated along with mercury and brain 608 00:30:35,139 --> 00:30:31,669 damage as in autism developmental delay 609 00:30:38,369 --> 00:30:35,149 ADHD and learning difficulties and it 610 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:38,379 goes on so let there be no doubt as to 611 00:30:44,919 --> 00:30:42,049 his frame of mind but as I mentioned 612 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:44,929 before he has been suspended and we read 613 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:48,289 quickly from an article at the ABC ABC 614 00:30:54,730 --> 00:30:51,289 net delay you published on the 15th of 615 00:30:56,289 --> 00:30:54,740 September 2017 a Melbourne doctor who 616 00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,299 has been under investigation for his 617 00:31:01,840 --> 00:30:58,399 anti vaccination stance has had his 618 00:31:04,269 --> 00:31:01,850 license to practice suspended dr. John 619 00:31:05,649 --> 00:31:04,279 peace practice in mitchum was raided by 620 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:05,659 the Australian health practitioner 621 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:08,690 regulation agency AHPRA and police 622 00:31:13,299 --> 00:31:11,210 officers last week following allegations 623 00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:13,309 he had helped families to avoid 624 00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,399 compulsory childhood vaccinations he had 625 00:31:21,639 --> 00:31:18,080 agreed to stop practicing temporarily 626 00:31:23,769 --> 00:31:21,649 while AHPRA investigated the matter but 627 00:31:25,690 --> 00:31:23,779 the Medical Board of Australia immediate 628 00:31:27,639 --> 00:31:25,700 action committee met on Thursday and 629 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:27,649 decided to suspend his registration 630 00:31:33,489 --> 00:31:30,440 while the investigations into his 631 00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:33,499 practice continued and we discover 632 00:31:42,749 --> 00:31:36,470 another aspect to this saga now as 633 00:31:46,259 --> 00:31:42,759 reported that the herald-sun wwr old son 634 00:31:49,090 --> 00:31:46,269 comdataís you on the 16th of september 635 00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:49,100 kinder kids we have suspect vaccination 636 00:31:54,669 --> 00:31:51,950 exemptions identified in dr john pease 637 00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,679 probe and this is a story by Grant 638 00:31:59,019 --> 00:31:57,200 MacArthur the health editor and the 639 00:32:02,409 --> 00:31:59,029 story says the futures of unvaccinated 640 00:32:05,129 --> 00:32:02,419 students at more than 15 kindergartens 641 00:32:08,169 --> 00:32:05,139 and child care centres are under a cloud 642 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:08,179 because they have exemptions granted by 643 00:32:14,649 --> 00:32:12,830 rogue anti vaccine dr. john pease many 644 00:32:16,259 --> 00:32:14,659 more kindergartens could still be 645 00:32:19,739 --> 00:32:16,269 brought into the anti-vaccination 646 00:32:22,509 --> 00:32:19,749 scandal while the full extent of suspect 647 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:22,519 immunization exemption forms may never 648 00:32:26,109 --> 00:32:23,330 be known 649 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:26,119 due to gaping holes in the Australian 650 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:30,470 and Victorian no laws barold son has 651 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:32,410 learned that more than 15 652 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:35,890 childhood centers have so far informed 653 00:32:40,110 --> 00:32:37,810 the Department of Education that they 654 00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:40,120 have unvaccinated students attending 655 00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,670 with exemption forms signed by the 656 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:45,760 Mitchum and GP dr. john pease medical 657 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:48,130 registration was suspended on Thursday 658 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:51,130 following revelations in the herald-sun 659 00:32:57,740 --> 00:32:54,490 that he claimed to have helped up to 600 660 00:32:59,850 --> 00:32:57,750 families avoid compulsory vaccinations 661 00:33:01,670 --> 00:32:59,860 I'll link to that stirring the show 662 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:01,680 notes it does go on with some more 663 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:05,260 information well this story keeps 664 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:06,970 unfolding and it was really brought 665 00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:12,010 about because the documentary VAX twas 666 00:33:17,850 --> 00:33:15,430 being shown up and down the the east 667 00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:17,860 coast of Australia and once again 668 00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:19,750 reminds us of the old saying give them 669 00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:21,940 enough rope or one of my favorite ones 670 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:24,160 was these people only open their mouths 671 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:27,130 to change feet and we can find this more 672 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:29,260 and more or quite frequently anyway when 673 00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:33,070 you let people with them extraordinary 674 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:41,800 and as ever we will bring you any 675 00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:43,890 updates as they come to hand 676 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:06,120 [Music] 677 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:09,619 hey Richard hi Trish 678 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:12,250 would you like a coffee yeah thanks what 679 00:34:15,690 --> 00:34:13,929 you're working on you're trying to come 680 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:15,700 up with a new promo to play on the 681 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:18,970 skeptic zone is it for the good thinking 682 00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:20,889 Society in the UK you know Michael 683 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:23,379 Marshall Simon Singh Norah Thomas and 684 00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:25,600 backed out oh yeah I know them they've 685 00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:27,190 been doing some great work investigating 686 00:34:31,859 --> 00:34:29,800 veterinary homeopathy veterinary 687 00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:31,869 homeopathy what you sugar pill history 688 00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,149 cows I know right and also they're 689 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:35,440 looking at some of the dodgy medical 690 00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,260 advice given by UK chiropractors really 691 00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,760 okay look but I'll mention all that in 692 00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:42,639 the promo now their website is good 693 00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:47,020 thinking society cool and they've 694 00:34:49,950 --> 00:34:48,340 recently been reporting on the 695 00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:49,960 resurgence of faith healer peter Popoff 696 00:34:59,310 --> 00:34:53,080 you know okay look thanks for that it 697 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:05,180 [Music] 698 00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:07,970 let's all take this with a grain of salt 699 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:16,630 he's around second I'm in st. Louis in 700 00:35:25,050 --> 00:35:21,390 the moonrise hotel and I'm attending a 701 00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:25,060 gathering of astronomy enthusiasts who 702 00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:27,430 are looking forward to watching the 703 00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:30,520 Eclipse tomorrow together and I am here 704 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:33,940 with you have Landsman who have met but 705 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:36,609 five or six years ago I think it was in 706 00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,250 Israel ibly because you're also involved 707 00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:40,720 with the Israeli skeptics or were 708 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:42,790 involved with Israeli skeptics if they 709 00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:43,450 still exist 710 00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:49,540 yeah let's organize but we're still 711 00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:51,640 we're still there okay 712 00:35:55,890 --> 00:35:53,830 so but we won't be speaking much about 713 00:35:58,590 --> 00:35:55,900 skepticism now what I would like to 714 00:36:01,650 --> 00:35:58,600 speak to you about is space il could you 715 00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:01,660 tell us that what space is space al is 716 00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:04,270 the Israeli team in the Google Lunar 717 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:07,180 XPrize competition the mission is to 718 00:36:12,590 --> 00:36:10,450 develop and launch a spacecraft a 719 00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:12,600 robotic spacecraft 720 00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:14,760 and to land it on the moon to take 721 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:18,000 pictures and to travel at least 500 722 00:36:22,070 --> 00:36:19,770 meters on the surface are above the 723 00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:22,080 surface of them of the moon and question 724 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:23,940 transmitted the pictures in the video 725 00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:28,130 back and all that with private funding 726 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:30,840 so just just to clarify something you 727 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,510 said travel it's actually a hop right 728 00:36:39,860 --> 00:36:36,720 not not or is it we always we're doing a 729 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:39,870 hop most of the other teams developed a 730 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:44,430 rover that's going to move across the on 731 00:36:50,570 --> 00:36:47,910 the surface so but you chose a hop we 732 00:36:53,350 --> 00:36:50,580 choose a hop why is that we reached to 733 00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:53,360 the competition at the last moment 734 00:37:00,110 --> 00:36:57,480 that's the Israeli way by then most of 735 00:37:03,350 --> 00:37:00,120 the all of the other groups were already 736 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,360 in development of two or three years and 737 00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:06,000 we figured out that if we are going to 738 00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:09,300 develop her over in addition to the 739 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:09,900 spacecraft 740 00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:13,740 then it's a completely additional 741 00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:16,380 project and we cannot afford that we 742 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:17,670 don't have the time without of the 743 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:20,250 people we found another way with fact we 744 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:23,370 just use this same spacecraft that 745 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:26,450 landed at the first time on the surface 746 00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:29,610 with the same propulsion system with the 747 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:33,260 same landing gear who take the complete 748 00:37:39,110 --> 00:37:37,230 spacecraft and just make it talk and and 749 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:39,120 this was when you're talking about when 750 00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:40,410 you make that decision when you joined 751 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:43,160 the competition that was that was 2011 752 00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,280 okay so six years ago yeah and how far 753 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:49,920 along are you know in six years later it 754 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:52,490 took us some time we need to major 755 00:37:59,660 --> 00:37:56,250 redesign that we had to do in order to 756 00:38:03,320 --> 00:37:59,670 to make it but currently we're in 757 00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:03,330 integration it means that most of the 758 00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:05,700 spacecraft they structure a propulsion 759 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:09,000 system and most of the sensors and the 760 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:11,970 electronics are already in our hands and 761 00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:15,890 we're now assembling the spacecraft and 762 00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:17,080 begin 763 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:19,660 testing of the units deterrent will 764 00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:21,730 build testing of the whole system so 765 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:25,900 it's advanced development and when do 766 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:28,030 you expect to be finished it will be 767 00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:31,330 finished by the end of this of this year 768 00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:33,670 or at the beginning of the next year the 769 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:37,030 launch will be next year we already have 770 00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:39,130 a lab launch actually it was one of the 771 00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:42,460 requirements of the competition in order 772 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,680 to make it to the finals 773 00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:47,440 at the beginning there were 33 teams 774 00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:50,830 that were registered and by last year 775 00:38:58,110 --> 00:38:54,760 only 16 teams were still at the 776 00:39:01,260 --> 00:38:58,120 competition and only the ones who had 777 00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:01,270 already had a launch contract continue 778 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:03,550 to the finals and therefore there are 779 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:06,010 only five teams in a competition right 780 00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:08,170 now we were the first team to have a 781 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:10,360 contract who is your contact with its 782 00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:14,020 with the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket but the 783 00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:16,710 contract is with the spaceflight it's a 784 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:20,620 company that connects the launching 785 00:39:26,970 --> 00:39:24,490 service the provider of the rocket with 786 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:26,980 the clients because it's a small 787 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:29,290 spacecraft we can't have a complete 788 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:31,810 rocket for ourselves and we need to 789 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:33,850 share it share the ride with other place 790 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:37,570 like it provides that service what is 791 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:40,570 your role in this project I'm a Senior 792 00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:43,930 Systems Engineer and system engineer is 793 00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:47,800 the is the one that can understand all 794 00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:50,020 the other fields of engineering in order 795 00:39:58,860 --> 00:39:54,120 to make the orchestra play together 796 00:40:01,470 --> 00:39:58,870 because you have the electrical 797 00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:01,480 engineers and this structure engineers 798 00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:05,620 and the Onyx engineers and the attitude 799 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:07,480 control engineers and computer engineers 800 00:40:14,970 --> 00:40:11,650 and each one of the group has excellent 801 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:14,980 people and they can do their work to 802 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:17,890 make a high level product but someone 803 00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:20,590 needs to make the effort of combining 804 00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:23,080 and integrating all all of their work 805 00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:25,390 and to make the compromises in order to 806 00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:27,550 have a one system 807 00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:30,550 that is working according to what you 808 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:34,240 have to get in order to a to have the 809 00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:35,050 right results 810 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:37,870 I'm a senior engineer I'm a system 811 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:41,290 engineer for spacecraft 15 years 812 00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:44,170 that's a while yeah although this is my 813 00:40:49,830 --> 00:40:46,900 first deep space mission so when you say 814 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:49,840 deep space you mean beyond beyond beyond 815 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:52,510 Earth orbit and how many people are 816 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:54,370 there in the project altogether I think 817 00:40:58,830 --> 00:40:57,690 if I remember correctly we are about 30 818 00:41:01,260 --> 00:40:58,840 people 819 00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:01,270 okay what about testing what do you do 820 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:03,700 the testing you have several levels of 821 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:06,610 testing the unique level testing means 822 00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:09,490 that you get from there from suppliers 823 00:41:16,290 --> 00:41:12,600 say electronic box and you have the 824 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:16,300 documents of of this box and you need to 825 00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:18,790 check that everything in the document is 826 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:20,710 according to the requirements and 827 00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:24,670 according to what's documented we began 828 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:28,900 doing the landing impact tests which 829 00:41:36,030 --> 00:41:32,530 means to take complete sets of landing 830 00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:36,040 gear and study the impact effects on 831 00:41:43,530 --> 00:41:39,550 different kinds of materials you'll not 832 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:43,540 dust simulated descend on surfaces like 833 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:47,350 that are harder than sent and stuff like 834 00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:49,330 that it's a complete set of fair of 835 00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:52,060 tests to see if your design works there 836 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:53,980 will be another test of the complete 837 00:41:59,850 --> 00:41:55,810 structure model of the spacecraft with 838 00:42:04,170 --> 00:41:59,860 the four legs in a facility outside of 839 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:04,180 Israel they have a robotic arm that can 840 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:06,850 simulate the landing or actually the 841 00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:10,630 impact on the ground on a changing 842 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:15,280 scenario for example on a slope or when 843 00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:18,250 you're not exactly stabilized that means 844 00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:20,980 that one leg is hitting hard on impact 845 00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:23,260 and what's happening to the spacecraft 846 00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:26,110 is if it's rotating because of that a 847 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:29,830 lot of a lot of scenarios with rocks for 848 00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:32,170 example what we try to achieve with that 849 00:42:38,290 --> 00:42:35,590 is to prove the design and to study the 850 00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:38,300 effects that might happen 851 00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:43,040 in less than optimal results so space 852 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:45,140 I'll participate in the Google XPrize 853 00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:47,450 competition however I presume that the 854 00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:50,840 goal of space il is not only to win the 855 00:42:53,470 --> 00:42:52,220 prize I mean even if you don't win the 856 00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,480 prize there are some achievements that 857 00:42:58,030 --> 00:42:56,000 you're looking forward to making that's 858 00:43:01,630 --> 00:42:58,040 right we are first of all we are 859 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,640 nonprofit our main goal is is 860 00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:03,680 educational we thought that from 861 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:06,950 actually from day one that if we are 862 00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:09,770 going to land a spacecraft on the moon 863 00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:12,080 and nobody knows about that 864 00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:16,640 it's a completes its uses it has no 865 00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:20,180 meaning and if we're going to go for 866 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:23,480 this tremendous endeavor we have to use 867 00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:26,570 it as a leverage for the education of 868 00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:29,230 young people in Israel of kids and youth 869 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:32,720 especially in the fields of stem so we 870 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:35,090 have a very large group of volunteers 871 00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:38,210 that give lectures to anyone free of 872 00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:41,030 charge in Israel mainly for for schools 873 00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:46,070 but also for kindergarten and to adults 874 00:43:53,290 --> 00:43:50,350 and companies and seminars and 875 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:53,300 conventions and everywhere we we count 876 00:44:00,460 --> 00:43:56,050 the kids that we encounter and we 877 00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:00,470 already gave lectures to several tens of 878 00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:02,470 thousands of kids around the country 879 00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,630 well this a country the size of Israel 880 00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,520 that's the sizable proportion of the 881 00:44:12,610 --> 00:44:10,160 children in Israel we want to reach 882 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:12,620 actually everyone because if the kids 883 00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:15,110 learn about space L and they're excited 884 00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:17,360 about that the parents will know about 885 00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:19,940 that for sure currently we're taking a 886 00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:22,550 very small scientific apparatus small 887 00:44:28,510 --> 00:44:26,000 magnetometer a sensor which will get 888 00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:28,520 measurements during the landing which is 889 00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:30,110 where the magnetic field of the moon is 890 00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:33,080 important because the moon doesn't have 891 00:44:37,060 --> 00:44:35,030 a magnetic field of its own at least not 892 00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:37,070 a global one but you have a magnetic 893 00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:39,860 field on the surface because of because 894 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:43,430 of the rocks it's very local and there 895 00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:44,810 are a lot of questions about that 896 00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,180 scientific questions about the origin of 897 00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:49,520 the moon that needs this data in order 898 00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,190 to 899 00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,740 answered the only way of getting this 900 00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:55,680 answered is by flying very close to the 901 00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:58,530 ground so during the landing we're going 902 00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:01,740 to record that magnetic field and during 903 00:45:06,590 --> 00:45:04,500 the help and during the hop there are a 904 00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:06,600 lot of interesting things on the one 905 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:09,000 that wouldn't never been researched so 906 00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,010 it sounds like you are planning to stick 907 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:13,380 around if if it happens if if there are 908 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:15,180 opportunities in the future of space 909 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:17,730 I'll probably I'll just say that if 910 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:20,370 there will be a chance of participating 911 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:24,690 in a more exciting mission then I might 912 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:26,430 want to do that okay we'll make sure 913 00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:28,170 that we have you seen who you ready on 914 00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:31,710 our website no problem with that I think 915 00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:34,460 that the spirit of this competition is 916 00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,580 to show people that it can be done when 917 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:40,920 the competition was announced the first 918 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:44,040 time I think it was 2007 it was 919 00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:47,130 something impossible it's something that 920 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:50,430 if government wants to do that they can 921 00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:54,210 do it they already done that the United 922 00:46:00,560 --> 00:45:57,030 States did it NASA did it and the 923 00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:00,570 Russians and lately the chain is this is 924 00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:04,440 a proof that the private the private 925 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:07,710 sector can do that also the reasoning of 926 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:11,250 doing that is still debatable but but it 927 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:13,730 can be done doing the impossible is 928 00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:15,570 something that ignites the imagination 929 00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:19,830 and I think that's worth doing and I 930 00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:21,950 think this is the spirit of this 931 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:25,430 companies it's not about money or 932 00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:27,090 commercial business 933 00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:31,200 it's about imagination and when we talk 934 00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:33,510 with kids about what we are doing you 935 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:36,660 can see it in their eyes that they 936 00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:39,450 believe in us and they want to to do 937 00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:42,990 something in order to help us and that 938 00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,710 something is maybe to be the engineers 939 00:46:52,340 --> 00:46:49,200 or the scientists of the next generation 940 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:52,350 missions for example a lot of kids ask 941 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:53,910 the question of what's going to happen 942 00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:56,370 with the spacecraft after we finish the 943 00:46:59,420 --> 00:46:57,240 mission 944 00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,430 and we're telling them that it's going 945 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:01,920 to stay there we can't launch it back 946 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:04,530 from the moon but if they want to 947 00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:07,890 participate or to leave the next mission 948 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:10,740 of retrieving it back to earth then it's 949 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:13,290 something they can do Cal study yes them 950 00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:16,110 subjects yeah that's that's a very good 951 00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:18,270 message if people want to find out more 952 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:21,540 about the the competition in general and 953 00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:23,010 about space al in particular where do 954 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:25,230 they go and the competition is is on a 955 00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:28,770 website just Google glxp Google Lunar 956 00:47:37,310 --> 00:47:31,680 XPrize you will find out there very easy 957 00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:37,320 the space al is on wwwp al comm also 958 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:41,190 very easy and you can have all the 959 00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:43,710 information there ok you have landsman 960 00:47:51,260 --> 00:47:45,790 thank you very much thank you 961 00:48:01,059 --> 00:47:58,420 [Music] 962 00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,069 the New Zealand skeptics conference me 963 00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:02,960 is happening on the weekend of the 24th 964 00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:06,340 to the 26th of November in Wellington 965 00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:08,020 [Music] 966 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:10,940 the weekend starts on Friday evening 967 00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:13,849 with a pub quiz all about skepticism and 968 00:48:18,849 --> 00:48:16,760 is open for anybody registered for the 969 00:48:20,799 --> 00:48:18,859 conference the New Zealand skeptics have 970 00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:20,809 a greater lineup for the conference both 971 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:22,940 on Saturday and Sunday they're 972 00:48:27,819 --> 00:48:24,770 especially excited to have the Cara 973 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:27,829 Santa Maria from the skeptics guide to 974 00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:30,410 the universe podcast and brit hermes x 975 00:48:35,319 --> 00:48:32,839 naturopath who now blogs for 976 00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:35,329 science-based medicine joining them this 977 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:37,700 year from overseas but they also have 978 00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:40,130 some fascinating locals and some 979 00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:45,750 you can see a list of the current lineup 980 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:48,280 of speakers by visiting the conference 981 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:52,530 website conference dot sceptics NZ and 982 00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,450 tickets are very reasonably priced and 983 00:49:00,690 --> 00:48:57,520 available for the entire weekend or just 984 00:49:03,210 --> 00:49:00,700 one day on Saturday evening the NZ 985 00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:03,220 skeptics are hosting a dinner separate 986 00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:05,620 registration required where you can 987 00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:07,600 chill out with fellow skeptics chat with 988 00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:10,540 the speakers and enjoy some weird and 989 00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:14,590 wonderful entertainment now for that 990 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:16,360 sounds like fun please head to the 991 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:19,330 website and book your ticket conference 992 00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:23,290 dot skeptics dot NZ 993 00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:40,280 thank you for listening to the skipping 994 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:42,540 zone now to recap that question from the 995 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:44,700 beginning of the show hi Richard it's 996 00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:47,010 Celeste reward from squaring the strange 997 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:50,040 podcast my question for you is what do 998 00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:52,650 you think is the most dangerous form of 999 00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,560 whoo or pseudoscience facing the human 1000 00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:57,960 race right now yes I've been having a 1001 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:00,300 bit of a think about that and I don't 1002 00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:02,570 think it's things like psychics and 1003 00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:07,380 water divining predicting the future 1004 00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:09,240 that sort of traditional stuff people 1005 00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:12,300 who believe in UFOs I think that what 1006 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:15,089 presents the most danger to humanity in 1007 00:50:22,819 --> 00:50:18,810 general would be the pseudoscience 1008 00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:22,829 revolving around medical beliefs and 1009 00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:24,270 opinions especially when it comes to the 1010 00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:26,430 conspiracy theories with anti-vaxxers 1011 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:29,430 because they're fear-mongering and 1012 00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:34,650 activities have led to things like polio 1013 00:50:38,839 --> 00:50:36,780 not being wiped out yet or pockets 1014 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:38,849 coming back or diseases coming back 1015 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:41,130 where they should have been consigned to 1016 00:50:48,050 --> 00:50:44,490 the annals of history by now so I think 1017 00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:48,060 that probably presents the biggest 1018 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:50,940 danger to individuals to people I might 1019 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:52,530 be wrong and be interested to hear your 1020 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:55,050 opinion if you want to if you want to 1021 00:51:00,559 --> 00:50:57,210 give me your opinion you can do 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